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Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1473	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:14:00 - [1] - Quote I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1474	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:26:00 - [2] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1480	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1480	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:36:00 - [4] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1481	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:42:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: While I do belive that tanks themselves are boring, I do understand while they are there. Everyone (including pilots) deserves to have their own playstyle. It wouldn't really be nice to tell someone that their playstyle shouldn't be included. And I think that tankers themselves also make this game boring for everyone but themselves. But hey, as long as they are going 60/0 with ease they are satisfied. This point of view is from someone who is both a Tanker & AV. I am in total agreement with you that everyone deserves to have their own play style... the trouble is CCP has yet to figure out how to include everyone's play style in one build. for this build tanks get to shine, last month it was AR, before that it was flaylocks and MD's.... wouldn't it be nice if everyone could have fun together on a semi balanced battle field? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:02:00 - [6] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. . this is what im saying. I don't know where you got all the other drivel you posted.... so you obviously agree. thatnk you for your post even though all but one sentence was ridiculous nonsense. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:06:00 - [7] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... actually is it very easy to hop in and out of a mlt tank mid battle i like to run my mlt soma and engage and at some point in the middle of battle hop out and start flinging forge blasts if i find it necessary ..everyone can make mlt tanks dont see what the issue is lol that's the issue... every one can and is doing it.... not fun... can you say FOTM? who would have thought tanks would ever be fotm? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:08:00 - [8] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: I have fun when I'm a tanker. I have fun when I'm running Shotgun Scout or a Logi role. I have fun when I"m running AV. Vehicles have always been a core element of DUST, they've always been an important part of the promotional materials for the game, and they're a key battlefield asset. If you don't enjoy them, you're playing the wrong game. Sorry to disappoint, but... can I have your stuff? That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. I'm just saying that they're MEANT to be on the battlefield, and if you don't like tanks, you don't like one of the key features in DUST. It's worth reconsidering your choice to play if they're that much of a problem for you. I like tanks but I hate it when my proto swarms with prof 4 and 3 damage mods (Total cost for my good av fit is 160k) are no where near as effective as a militia tank with 0 SP and costs just over 70k isk. Also not to mention that my proto av fit barely scratches tanks and when I do almost kill them they drive out of my fking lock on range (And before you ask I do wait until kactive modules are down) wow for once you and I agree on something.... I need to go outside and make sure the world isn't ending CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:09:00 - [9] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: What is wrong with having 5 tanks on each side? Most of the time they are too occupied to even look at infantry (at least, I am). Have you seen the trailers? There's Vehicles ALL OVER THE PLACE. Vehicles just weren't good enough before to be considered a ig part of the game. But they are!!! the trailers also suggest large battlefields with more than 16 on a team.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:11:00 - [10] - Quote danthrax martin wrote: Turret installations are moe important now, but our berries blow them first off the starting line. The turrets have been improved! A few times now ive used them to help squads advance... Am i the the only one that gave up swarms to become an installation gunner? too bad a turret cant chase the tank at 200 mph.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:18:00 - [11] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i mean yeah everyone can do it so do it have some fun stop qqing why is a legitimate issue with balance QQ? why are you so invested in this build if you don't tank? doesn't make sense...unless youre lying about not being a tanker, or you just don't play dust and have no clue what youre defending. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:19:00 - [12] - Quote TunRa wrote: Multiple level game play is boring! I want COD 514 lol you call the tank spam multi level playing? you just made yourself look dumb... grats scrub. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1489	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:26:00 - [13] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. . this is what im saying. I don't know where you got all the other drivel you posted.... so you obviously agree. thatnk you for your post even though all but one sentence was ridiculous nonsense. You're right. It was complete drivel. You clearly gave me no reason to think you dislike tanks at all. Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... OH WAIT. Seymor Krelborn wrote: tanks make this game boring Yeah, maybe not so much "drivel" as "actually reading your posts" - you should consider trying it sometime. Reading YOUR OWN POSTS, I mean. It tends to help figure out how you gave the wrong impression. I thought this one was pretty obvious. I never said anything about removing tanks. and I meant they are boring in their current iteration. yes I don't like tanks, but I have been playing since January 23rd so obviously tanks haven't infringed on my fun factor till now....why? because they are now no sp spam machines....that's whats not fun... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1497	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said anything about removing tanks. and I meant they are boring in their current iteration. Oh, you only meant the CURRENT iteration... Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... Could have fooled me. Again with the READ YOUR OWN POSTS thing. Not kidding, you really should consider it sometime. Quote: yes I don't like tanks, but I have been playing since January 23rd so obviously tanks haven't infringed on my fun factor till now....why? Really, so when you said "I've never thought tanks were fun" you actually meant to say "I've never found that tanks had a negative impact on fun"? I think there may have been slightly more than a typo in there somewhere. Quote: edit: I should also reiterate that I don't like to PLAY as a tank... its not that I don't like tanks on the field or dislike vehicle mechanics in the game...I mean I don't like using them personally... Oh, so you don't actually have a problem with tanks as long as you're not forced to play as one? Guess what? YOU AREN'T. Good tanks are a valuable asset, but having a team comprised entirely of tanks WILL lose you the match. Good infantry are a valuable asset, but having no tanks will put you at a disadvantage against a good combined-arms team. This sounds to me like they've done things right. You can't win Skirmish or Domination without infantry, and a few good AV players can lock down infantry-friendly areas and prevent enemy tanks from capitalising on their advantages in Ambush as well. what a joke you are.....instead of agreeing with me on what you agree on... that tanks need some fixing, you turned this into whether I do or don't like tanks.... what an idiot. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1497	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:33:00 - [15] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: lol that's the issue... every one can and is doing it.... not fun... can you say FOTM? who would have thought tanks would ever be fotm?[/quote] not true just earlier today me and tim and bloody mess were tanking..the enemy had multiple av and tank spammed as well we worked together an took em all on..stomped the enemy tanks bloody was running a maddy yes..and i think timm was in a fw madrugar he is not skilled into it neither am i. i was running a soma...if they blues had worked together they would have stood a chance as is teamwork is op and 3 tanks working together to run a field will always win vs 5 tanks durping around alone..tactics win with tanking play smart not everyone can do it the blue dots in that match tried we stomped em..work together use team work and mlt havs...tank spam wont be a problem unless u suck at tanking[/quote] lol earlier you said you weren't a tanker... now you are.... my point proven again.... only tankers find this fun.... I just got in my militia sica, killed 3 tanks in under 2 minutes ( I have no sp intanks)....there were still about 6 on the map.... just ridiculous.... like I said only tankers find this fun, everyone else doesn't, vehicles are now broken in a whole new and worse way. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1498	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:49:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1520	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:04:00 - [17] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. Seymor, stop being an asshole. Pretty sure Mort is a better tanker than me, that's first. I also know that Mort runs a lot of protogear recently, so can't be that hard up on ISK. Finally, I know that Mort's been running a Soma recently. All of these things suggest either no SP into tanks, or very little. EDITed for profanity. lorhak read the thread and maybe you will eat your words... I asked him earlier if he drove tanks and he basicly said no...that's why im calling him out don't you feel dumb now? well you should. apology accepted. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1520	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:09:00 - [18] - Quote Orion Vahid wrote: I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler. wouldn't you rather get steamrolled by nothing? actually have a competitive field? where the only time you get steamrolled is when someone out skills you instead of out fotm's you? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1524	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:21:00 - [19] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: i dont really blame tanks, i think the amount of tank spam is directly proportional to the style of the map. Lager city maps, or the new maps where most combat areas are inaccessible to tanks means much less tank spam, god help infantry if its on manus peak. Also bluedots need to stop dropping uplinks in wide open in spaces with no cover, and realize there are safe zones from vehicles on every map, use them dammit. I dont like the tank spam, because all matches are starting to boil down which side can spam more tanks first. I'm forced to call in my soma all the time now, to fight the other tanks. Yet actually, i believe you should rejoice. There were so many people claiming that they were dedicated AV specialists, now people are spamming lots of tanks with less armor than before. If i were fully specced into av i would start every match with lai dais, wyrikami swarms, traige hives and uplinks, find a tower and wreck sh!t. I blame ccp. but it doesn't make tank spam any less of a problem. the thing I find the most unfun, now that ive played even more matches, is when youre on the side that wins the tank spam.... theres nothing for me as infantry to do anymore but watch the 6 tanks on my side obliterate everything.... I have to shoot walls just so I don't get kicked for lack of a pvp action CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1524	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:28:00 - [20] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I have a question, and it is one based simply on ignorance of the subject as I don't drive tanks and do very minimal AV... But is there a reason that CCP both buffed tanks and nerfed AV at the same time? That seems to be a recipe just begging to be QQ'd. no is the short answer. since the beginning of this game ccp has made one bad decision after another. the reason? because they are trying to fix specific things while other things that rely on that specific thing are either broken or not in the game yet. its like they are trying to build the second floor of a building before they complete the first floor, or even te foundation. its just bad game development. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1526	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:37:00 - [21] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall. If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good. If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge. They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part. explain how stomping specced tanks in a non specced tank makes me a scrub? i dont see the difference between that and killing stnd suit with mlt suits which you have already declared to be non scrubby because a mlt tank vs an std tank cant compare to a mlt suit vs a std suit. mlt tanks are way too powerful for the title mlt. I took out 3 tanks the other day in my mlt sica in under 2 mins... and not only am I a bad tanker ( cause I don't drive tanks) but those were my first kills ever in a tank... would not have been possible before. so im a scrub tanker getting lol easy wp, and if you are doing the same than you are too.... although lorhak says you are a better tanker than him, so its obvious you defend this tank spam because youre a tanker. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1526	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:40:00 - [22] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av... skilled people can... just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably mlt av is no where near as powerful as a mlt tank.... you are such a dirt bag..... make mlt swarms as powerful as mlt tanks and we're good.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1534	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:00:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? for you? I have no point, since youre the problem. I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun. I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1609	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:31:00 - [24] - Quote a week has passed since 1.7 and the majority of us still agree, tank spam is ruining dust. it isn't that tanks cant be beaten, it's that infantry no longer has a place on the battlefield. this needs to be addressed. all roles must be valid. right now the tank spam kills the fun factor in dust, not that it was that fun before.... ccp continues to break what had so much potential. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1609	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:35:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pub matches feel like a job now, FW is a joke, PC is still a laggy cluster ****. CCP please refund everyones SP so we can all play the game you meant it to be played, in a tank. Up the vehicle cap to 16 per side while you're at it. this sarcasm is OP.... quick tankers! call on ccp to nerf it! CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1684	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:02:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? for you? I have no point, since youre the problem. I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun. I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks? Because we also like playing infantry sometimes to let loose. Tanking is stressful these days, especially if you've still got the attitude of 'if I die that's 1.4M down the pisser'. Which I still do. I don't spam tanks. I usually keep my tank alive for an entire match......I struggle to understand how I am a problem playing this game the way I want to, from within a vehicle, even though I don't have Amarr HAV Frankly speaking you are full of ****, a good tanker will give you all the HAV clearance you need, I barely bother dealing with infantry these days anyway unless they present themselves to me out in the open. I never mentioned I endorsed tank spams but 3 tanks vs 3 tanks with supporting infantry on both sides makes for an epic fight. the way you use tanks or the scenario you describe isn't the problem.... you know that... and you also know what the issue is...so please don't be coy... stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1684	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:17:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: the way you use tanks or the scenario you describe isn't the problem.... you know that... and you also know what the issue is...so please don't be coy... I cant help that 3-4 other idiots in MLT HAV without decent fittings want to run tanks, also not my fault Avers are too scrubby to deply anti tank HUNTA KILLA squads. I could have said the same thing about tanks vs AV before 1.7..... you are just being defensive now. the swarm nerf is ridiculous and even if it wasn't, its not about killing one tank... that's easy its about trying to kill 5 at a time with another being spammed as soon as one blows up, leaving the team who cant win the tank spam at an unfair disadvantage both towards the tanks and the enemy infantry.....we need something done to deter those other 3-4 idiots from spamming. stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi